2019 STAR WARS Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[EVILFACE]

Post away. No issue with what people like.

 

[Darth Maul]

I still have hope for the movie. They just have GOT to stop the SJW pandering. The fans have proved that we don’t want it.

 

[Kamandi]

I’m glad they’re bringing Palpatine back. At least there will be one character in this that I like.

I think it's a tacit acknowledgement that TLJ screwed up and killed the supporting villains. If Kylo is going to have a redemption arc there must be another big bad to square off against. Ryan killed Snoke and Phasma, turn Hux into a joke, and forgot to develop the Knights who say 'Ni'. It would be difficult to jumpstart a new villain and defeat them in a single film - so let's pull one down off the self.

I actually thought it was a decent teaser. Better than TLJ. Every element of this trailer suggested it unwinds TLJ, turning the whole film into a non-event.

 

[Jotaro Something]

Ok, so obviously I can't come in here. Do you think there is room for me at the other sites movie section

Don't let the negativity turn you away from posting whatever you want.

 

[Darth Maul]

I think a lot of people just have Marvel and Star Wars fatigue. I’m definitely getting there with Marvel.

 

[GeneralZod]

Ok, so obviously I can't come in here. Do you think there is room for me at the other sites movie section

I say post what you want. This thread needs some positivity. I really am excited about Palpatine coming back. He’s my favorite Star Wars character. I’ve been disappointed with the new films, but there’s always a small part of me that’s holding out hope they’ll get me to enjoy the franchise again. I just feel like they didn’t have a fully formed plan for this trilogy and it shows.

 

[Darth Maul]

You know they’re going to move forward with more shit though. Some of it will be interesting enough to pull me back in. I doubt I’ll get more than a handful of the films though. I’m hoping I can focus on DC again.

 

[Darth Maul]

I say post what you want. This thread needs some positivity. I really am excited about Palpatine coming back. He’s my favorite Star Wars character. I’ve been disappointed with the new films, but there’s always a small part of me that’s holding out hope they’ll get me to enjoy the franchise again. I just feel like they didn’t have a fully formed plan for this trilogy and it shows.

It’s hard to be positive about Star Wars these days though. I started out enjoying TLJ, but eventually it got to me.

I still like the film, but they really need to listen to the majority of the fans. This goes for all companies that produce films, shows, comics or games. Without us... you’re nothing. We’ve made it well and clear that we don’t want the agenda crap in our escapism.

Keep the politics to Palpatine.

 

[GeneralZod]

It’s hard to be positive about Star Wars these days though. I started out enjoying TLJ, but eventually it got to me.

I still like the film, but they really need to listen to the majority of the fans. This goes for all companies that produce films, shows, comics or games. Without us... you’re nothing. We’ve made it well and clear that we don’t want the agenda crap in our escapism.

Keep the politics to Palpatine.

The studio isn’t thinking about the old fans though. They’re trying to get new ones because they know the hardcore fans are going to watch them anyway—regardless of how much we bitch about them. I don’t think they’re going about getting fans the right way, but the movies are making money so what do I know. All I can do is try to find something in the new films to like while ignoring all the stuff I don’t. Adding Palpatine is a step in the right direction for me since they wasted Snoke. I’m a villain fan and this new trilogy has been lacking a good villain so it’s difficult for me to enjoy them.

 

[Veil1]

I am totally bluffing of course, no way I'd stroll into that dumpster fire. I did however enjoy TFA and to a lesser extent TLJ, faults and all. My biggest critique of TLJ isn't the mary sue, or the sjw agenda, but the totally useless Finn/rose plotline. It served no purpose, and if they cut it out of the movie, it wouldn't affect the movie either way. The writers forgot to go to creative writing 101. Even though Sheeve showing up is pretty contrived and reaks of fan service, I'm looking forward to seeing Palps again.

 

[Jotaro Something]

Yeah that was completely pointless, I'd hate TLJ a bit less if Rose would have let Finn die like a hero.

 

[Veil1]

My biggest challenge with this series is my Daughter. She loves Rey, and wants to be a writer when she grows up (YA books specifically). I'm trying to teach her that it's ok to enjoy Rey, but she needs to understand the shitty writing that went into her character. Making a character a mary sue isn't good writing.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Ok, so obviously I can't come in here. Do you think there is room for me at the other sites movie section

Your opinion is your opinion, so don't feel like you can't voice it. And I don't have a dog in the fight anyway since I've been a casual observer of SW more or less.

Don't let the negativity turn you away from posting whatever you want.

This. I have no intention of muscling someone out because they like something I don't.

My biggest challenge with this series is my Daughter. She loves Rey, and wants to be a writer when she grows up (YA books specifically). I'm trying to teach her that it's ok to enjoy Rey, but she needs to understand the shitty writing that went into her character. Making a character a mary sue isn't good writing.

It's good there's female fantasy leads that little girls can identify with, but like you said there needs to be realistic motivations and writing involved with that.

 

[GeneralZod]

The weak writing in general is what kills me. Star Wars has never been Shakespeare, but these new films are on another level even for this franchise. At least the original trilogy had a bunch of characters I like. All the characters in the new trilogy have been ruined two films (or less).

 

[Snake Plissken]

SW was the very start of the big budget fiction genre that I can recall, so much can be forgiven with the writing. It seems a lot of potholes can be avoided even with poor writing as long as there's a strong director there. Empire didn't have memorable writing outside of a handful of scenes but Kershner handled it perfectly. The outline of the plot really didn't need anything beyond what we got with writing. It wasn't convoluted or dull, but it expounded upon backstory when it felt necessary.

 

[Veil1]

I've recently re-watched the prequel movies, and man, I am not a fan of them. I really like some of the ideas presented, and i actually liked the political 'intrigue' of palpatine taking over. But the effects don't hold up very well. I liked the clone wars series a lot more.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I don't mind the idea of space politics but holy shit you had to take a bath in it in Phantom Menace. Having him slowly climb the ladder in the three films was done well and one of the few things I really liked within that trilogy. But again, the writing was so weak, especially in AOTC. C'mon George, you had almost 20 years to get better at this.

And yes, the """""effects""""" are nauseating and you cannot connect with them at all. Everything is on a blue sound stage and it's so incredibly apparent.

 

[Jotaro Something]

My biggest challenge with this series is my Daughter. She loves Rey, and wants to be a writer when she grows up (YA books specifically). I'm trying to teach her that it's ok to enjoy Rey, but she needs to understand the shitty writing that went into her character. Making a character a mary sue isn't good writing.

If I had a daughter and she liked Rey I'd make sure she understands what a hero's journey actually is and the dangers of vanity.
Rollo summed it up well:

Female screenwriters consistently create ‘Mary Sue’ characters of their Fempowered female protagonists. Why? Because women simply ‘are’ and men must ‘become’.
Characters like Rey or Captain Marvel are just women’s best attempts to write male heroes with vaginas. But they approach them in the way they see men, apex ‘winners’ with no idea of how they became winners.
So when a female writer attempts to create essentially a gender-swapped version of a male hero, that character is already an omnipotent superhero with powers and abilities that simply always existed. She is the way that writer perceives the male experience. There is no archetypal ‘hero’s journey’ for that sex-switched character and is therefore unbelievable. She is the Mary Sue.

 

[mrdbios]

Palps as a force ghost?

 

[Veil1]

Wow, thanks Jotaro. That's a consise explanation of what is wrong with many modern female characters. Ripley they are not.