2019 Terminator: Dark Fate

[BATMAN]

This franchise needs a reboot with someone who can actually be a decent stand-in for the role of the Terminator.

I think the guy who played Bullseye in the new season of Daredevil would be a good “evil” Terminator.

 

[EVILFACE]

He prolly would. But any reboot is just going to rehash everything we've already seen and would fail box office wise.

 

[RIDDICK]

I'd just go back and remake the original, with low budget, focus on the madness of taking part in a life-n-death chase between two gun-toting people, having your world turned upside down, not being able to trust anyone. Make T-800 an actual infiltrator, a normal looking guy who acts normal if needed and bribes a gunshop owner instead of killing him.

Alas, that part of Terminator is long gone. People want only Arnold, robots and explosions these days. And forced social commentary, of course.

 

[Darth Maul]

Actually, I only want two of those. Arnold with some cgi to de-age him and robots.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I'd just go back and remake the original, with low budget, focus on the madness of taking part in a life-n-death chase between two gun-toting people, having your world turned upside down, not being able to trust anyone. Make T-800 an actual infiltrator, a normal looking guy who acts normal if needed and bribes a gunshop owner instead of killing him.

Alas, that part of Terminator is long gone. People want only Arnold, robots and explosions these days. And forced social commentary, of course.

This. The new movies don't really explore the infiltration part. They can get a job, hire people, rob banks, get married, go to jail, ask to speak to Manny, be a delivery man, anything but an Olympic swimmer. No point being an infiltrator if you can't blend in for extended periods of time.

 

[Robocop]

Ughhh it's never anything new with these pathetic sequels. It's always compounding ground that's already been tread, it's never bringing something new to the table. I hope this one fails worse than the last one. Arnold shamelessly sullies his career with these paychecks for alimony.

I'd just go back and remake the original, with low budget, focus on the madness of taking part in a life-n-death chase between two gun-toting people, having your world turned upside down, not being able to trust anyone. Make T-800 an actual infiltrator, a normal looking guy who acts normal if needed and bribes a gunshop owner instead of killing him.

Alas, that part of Terminator is long gone. People want only Arnold, robots and explosions these days. And forced social commentary, of course.

Currently got a lot of time on my hands due to ill health, and decided to finally watch Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. I get why you guys love it so much now, it's a considerably better sequel than anything we've received cinematically. I think they pretty much covered everything I wanted to see following on from T2 in some form or another, except a definitive ending to the series.

 

[GeneralZod]

Currently got a lot of time on my hands due to ill health, and decided to finally watch Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. I get why you guys love it so much now, it's a considerably better sequel than anything we've received cinematically. I think they pretty much covered everything I wanted to see following on from T2 in some form or another, except a definitive ending to the series.

Glad to hear you finally got to watch TSCC! I absolutely love that show and watch it every year. I still catch new stuff every time I watch it again. They did such a great job with casting and writing--even though at the time they were dealing with the stupid writer's strike. I would have taken a third season of the show over any of the films after T2.

Also, keep hanging in there when it comes to your health.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Currently got a lot of time on my hands due to ill health, and decided to finally watch Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. I get why you guys love it so much now, it's a considerably better sequel than anything we've received cinematically. I think they pretty much covered everything I wanted to see following on from T2 in some form or another, except a definitive ending to the series.

Holy shit, congrats, you're in for a treat! I hope you feel better in time too!

I speak for myself, but every person I introduced the show ended up loving it and I noticed that the ones that didn't either never watched it in full or just saw snippets on Youtube. Sit trough all 31 episodes and you'll be rewarded in spades.

Everyone got sucker punched by that ending and some were quick to call it an unresolved cliffhanger but those people only watch the show once. The writers have stated that said they wrote it as a definitive ending and no one knew what it meant at the time until fans started re-watching and piecing together the clues. It turns out most of your questions are strewn out throughout the show,and almost everything gets resolved harmoniously (including a few leftover themes from T1/T2). There are some truly remarkable readings on A.I and the nature of humanity in the show, something I thought is pure peak James Cameron, pure Terminator at its finest.

I remember being super skeptical about the show when it was advertised back in 2008 and I thought it would be yet another Terminator 3 or worse.. Robocop the TV Series. Several episodes in, I was in love with the show and thought Terminator was back and even had high hopes for Salvation. This has everything I loved about Terminator as a kid- the omnipresent paranoia, themes of existentialism and destiny and the exploration of humanity that the first two films had. It's such a multi faceted argument of what makes this entire dumb lore about time travelling androids so endearing.

I always felt a little bit sad when I see hardcore Terminator fans dismissing this show simply because it failed in ratings and got cancelled, and I always say that after having the movies successfully lowering the bar so low, what harm could 31 episodes do?

As for a "definitive end" to the entire Terminator saga, it's all right there. I can talk all day about it once you're done with the final episode.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Also, keep hanging in there when it comes to your health.

 

[Robocop]

Well, I watched the last few episodes yesterday. What a great series. Made the absolute most of a midrange TV budget and carried itself on strong writing throughout. Reminds me of Babylon 5 somewhat, although I really wish a few of the dominos set up like the Kaliba group, who/what hacked John Henry, what happened to Danny Dyson, etc could have been knocked over in a third season. When I say a "definitive conclusion" I mean actually seeing the war end and its aftermath. There's a lot of questions that no media to my mind has adequately answered in the Terminator franchise - for example, what would Skynet do if it won? What would the humans of 2029 do, inheriting a world ravaged by nuclear fallout, nuclear winter and constant global warfare? They'd probably want to forsake all technology, but probably couldn't afford to if they ever wanted to rebuild the ecosystem.

I'd love to see some deep questions about the nature of Skynet as an AI and the complexity of its aims and goals vs its own creations in the new Terminator films, but I'm pretty sure we're not going to get that.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Major spoilers below for those who plan to watch the series:

the Kaliba group

They were the creators of Skynet.

who/what hacked John Henry

That was Skynet itself, after it became aware that it had a twin brother and tried to kill it. As John Henry said, they share the same base code (Cyberdyne) and they both would arrive to similar conclusions. The only difference was their "upbringing" as Andy Goode said, "I built a computer, a mind, it became angry, and scared, and I couldn't reassure it." Interesting that he choose the word “reassure” rather than “stop” or “kill”. Skynet is inevitable and Judgement Day can only be delayed, not stopped.

what happened to Danny Dyson

He was working with Kaliba. I might be wrong on this one, but I think I it was because he couldn't really let go of his father's death whom he presumed was because of Sarah Connor. He wanted to comprehend what his dad died for, and inevitably contributed to creating Skynet.

When I say a "definitive conclusion" I mean actually seeing the war end and its aftermath.

It's open ended, but it seems to imply that both John Henry and John Connor were set up to confront Skynet in the future trough the time jump and trying to achieve peace by bargaining with it. We now know that Skynet is identical to John Henry sans the upbringing, and Skynet fears humans because it concludes that they're illogical and dangerous. That's where both Johns comes in.

John Connor the first human nurtured by machines (Uncle Bob and Cameron) and showed great compassion towards them while John Henry was the first machine nurtured by humans (Ellison, Sherman and Savannah) and thus presumably Skynet realized they could co-exist, and that probably ends the war. Again, pure speculation as you're supposed to draw your own conclusions.

I think that makes sense because it's probably too late to have humans win the war, because T2 already established that a foot soldier like Uncle Bob was capable of some form of empathy or comprehension of humanity, and devolving that to just "John Connor and humanity destroys the machines" kind of dilutes that, hence the show paints a world where there are good people, bad people (the Greys), bad machines (Skynet) and good machines (the Third Faction).

That's my personal problem with all the theatrical sequels after T2- they never really followed up with the themes and ideas presented in that movie and this one did.

 

[GeneralZod]

I think you're right on with that analysis. I do wish the series would have gotten one more season. It would have been interesting seeing John finding his place in the future as a nobody--at least initially. They could have even done a movie from the series like Firefly did. Such a wasted opportunity.

 

[Robocop]

Major spoilers below for those who plan to watch the series:



They were the creators of Skynet.



That was Skynet itself, after it became aware that it had a twin brother and tried to kill it. As John Henry said, they share the same base code (Cyberdyne) and they both would arrive to similar conclusions. The only difference was their "upbringing" as Andy Goode said, "I built a computer, a mind, it became angry, and scared, and I couldn't reassure it." Interesting that he choose the word “reassure” rather than “stop” or “kill”. Skynet is inevitable and Judgement Day can only be delayed, not stopped.



He was working with Kaliba. I might be wrong on this one, but I think I it was because he couldn't really let go of his father's death whom he presumed was because of Sarah Connor. He wanted to comprehend what his dad died for, and inevitably contributed to creating Skynet.



It's open ended, but it seems to imply that both John Henry and John Connor were set up to confront Skynet in the future trough the time jump and trying to achieve peace by bargaining with it. We now know that Skynet is identical to John Henry sans the upbringing, and Skynet fears humans because it concludes that they're illogical and dangerous. That's where both Johns comes in.

John Connor the first human nurtured by machines (Uncle Bob and Cameron) and showed great compassion towards them while John Henry was the first machine nurtured by humans (Ellison, Sherman and Savannah) and thus presumably Skynet realized they could co-exist, and that probably ends the war. Again, pure speculation as you're supposed to draw your own conclusions.

I think that makes sense because it's probably too late to have humans win the war, because T2 already established that a foot soldier like Uncle Bob was capable of some form of empathy or comprehension of humanity, and devolving that to just "John Connor and humanity destroys the machines" kind of dilutes that, hence the show paints a world where there are good people, bad people (the Greys), bad machines (Skynet) and good machines (the Third Faction).

That's my personal problem with all the theatrical sequels after T2- they never really followed up with the themes and ideas presented in that movie and this one did.

That's a pretty solid analysis, thanks. Just wanted to bump this thread because it seems like everything's gone very quiet on the TDF front. Film delayed for half a year, no trailer - doesn't exactly fill you with confidence, does it?

 

[GeneralZod]

No, it really doesn’t. With any luck, the trailer will spark some excitement, but I can’t make myself get my hopes up anymore when it comes to this franchise.

 

[Puck]

Trailer will probably be shown in June or July around SDCC time, I imagine. IT chapter 2 is getting one this month and that comes out in September, so this should get one shortly.

This really is the last chance for the franchise to deliver something worthwhile. Outside of T1 and T2, I don't really need or care for another film but I'm willing to give them a chance. Arnie and Hamilton being back together is the big selling point for many.

Oh who am I kidding here - it's going to fucking suck on some woke SJW wahman type of suck shit and they probably already have a trilogy planned as we speak.

 

[Snake Plissken]

 

[Puck]

He said he's alright and nothing to worry about. He didn't know he was kicked until he saw the video and thought someone from the crowd bumped into him.

 

[Darth Maul]

What a douchebag.

 

[Jameson Rook]

What a moron. Thank God the cops have him now!

 

[Snake Plissken]

Trailer is out Thursday.