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I really could give shit about current boxing, but I've been watching a bunch of old fights. Primarily Tyson stuff. It's a shame how much of a cartoon he was portrayed as with the shit outside the ring, when in his prime, his ability and style were on another level.


If Cus never died, I'd wager he would be recognized as the undisputed greatest of all time. His ego and jail sentence decapitated his career.
 

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I was a huge boxing fans for years, but I’ve stopped paying attention to the sport lately. The bullshit circus with Mayweather has completely turned me off the sport.
 

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There's no heavyweights anyone gives a shit about, and Mayweather books his own dumb fights.
 

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The last heavyweights I followed were the Klitschko brothers. I didn’t see anyone after them being worth the trouble.

And Mayweather is just a giant douchebag. He was a piece of shit when I worked in Vegas, and I can’t respect him—especially after they counted the MacGregor match on his record. It should have been a money-grab exhibition fight not an actual win to stack his boxing record. There isn’t a boxer I want to see lose everything he has more than that asshole.
 

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Him and MacGregor are two peas in a pod. The biggest douche bags in their respective sports.
 

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I 'memba the ear biting.,,,

Never cared much for boxing. Even that UFC stuff is mostly dude hugging.
 

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UFC is boring. Over 90% of the fights are on the ground in missionary. I tried getting into it but bailed on it. Although it was delicious seeing that cunt Rousey get knocked the fuck out.
 

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I never got into UFC either. Most of the fights I saw were just two dudes rolling around on the ground with each other. I’m pretty sure I was watching UFC...
 

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I really could give shit about current boxing, but I've been watching a bunch of old fights. Primarily Tyson stuff. It's a shame how much of a cartoon he was portrayed as with the shit outside the ring, when in his prime, his ability and style were on another level.


If Cus never died, I'd wager he would be recognized as the undisputed greatest of all time. His ego and jail sentence decapitated his career.

He was still on a tear and even won the championship after Cus died. Getting rid of his trainer Kevin Rooney and hiring amateurs was the worst thing he did that led to his decline as a fighter (with Don King and Robin Givens contributing to the destruction of his character). It's the biggest waste of boxing talent in history.
 

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He was still on a tear and even won the championship after Cus died. Getting rid of his trainer Kevin Rooney and hiring amateurs was the worst thing he did that led to his decline as a fighter (with Don King and Robin Givens contributing to the destruction of his character). It's the biggest waste of boxing talent in history.

Did he have a reason for getting rid of Rooney? I've only started really getting into Tyson and noticed in the early 90s when he stopped coming to the ring with him and I assumed this was the case. The three years he lost really is a travesty. He had the potential to be the greatest ever. His ego, prison, Don King, the crew around him all contributed to a destroyed career. He got out of jail and didn't really do much of anything. He got huge purses for the Holyfield and Lewis fights, but that's it. At least he knew to hang it up. So strange how Foreman was nearly ten years older and crushing the division.

BTW this wax figure of him is spooky real. Might be the best I've ever seen. But his eyebrows are slightly too clean.

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Did he have a reason for getting rid of Rooney? I've only started really getting into Tyson and noticed in the early 90s when he stopped coming to the ring with him and I assumed this was the case. The three years he lost really is a travesty. He had the potential to be the greatest ever. His ego, prison, Don King, the crew around him all contributed to a destroyed career. He got out of jail and didn't really do much of anything. He got huge purses for the Holyfield and Lewis fights, but that's it. At least he knew to hang it up. So strange how Foreman was nearly ten years older and crushing the division.

There's all different takes on it but the most common one that pops up the most is that once Don King got into his camp, he urged Tyson to get rid of him. King was and always has been a leech that siphons money from boxers that were stupid enough to let him get away with it (iirc, Ali basically handed over millions to him after bumping into him in the street late in his career). Rooney had this number system that he would use and shout to Tyson from his corner (like 2, 2, 3, 4 which might've been jab, jab, hook, uppercut or something) and it was very successful. Without Rooney his head movement and corner advice was terrible, and he became another headhunter.

I've never seen talent like that at such a young age only for it to be thrown away like that. Sure, the division wasn't that strong and he fought some scrubs but he was this rare phenomenon of talent that comes around every so often. What stops Tyson from being considered the GOAT for many is that, despite all that decline, he never really overcame it and had a 'comeback' as what people love to see when when overcoming obstacles. The saddest thing is that Tyson likely would have improved even more and we never got to see it.
 

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Yeah I was just reading into his trainers after Cus. One died, and he fired the other two. When he did his comeback, he wasn't nearly as allusive and sometimes not at all. Mid to late 80s Tyson was exhausting to watch. He was constantly ducking and dodging and still had energy to put you to sleep with one punch.

And yes, he was very young still and could of improved further. In the 80s, he had the human equivalent of ultra instinct. He was a power puncher but he wasn't some meathead idiot about it. He had extremely crisp and calculated accurate power shots and a nearly perfect defense. It's hard to say how things would play out if Cus was say ten years younger and never got sick since he seems to have been white knuckling it through most of his career, but Cus dying broke the dam. He could of had another 10-15 years of pure excellence if he had such a extreme level of defense. But without a good corner and good people around you, it brings it all down.

That peek-a-boo style is the most fun to watch.
 

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I love Foreman. He might not have been the most technical or explosive of boxers but you don't need to be when your normal punches can send people flying. It's scary because he didn't put his full weight behind them and he still hit like a bag of bricks.

 

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He cracked me up when he boxed later on in his career. Walk, walk, walk, arm punch, arm punch, hug—repeat until opponent loses. He surprised a lot of younger guys when they lost to him.
 

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He had no business with those two dozen or so wins he got. Like you said, he fought like a rockem sockem robot. Even when he was young he was like that. But he just had too much power to really need anything else.

But going 12 rounds with Holyfield is pretty impressive for a dude in his 40s.
 

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Definitely. I don’t know how he took the shots he did when he got older. He was always a brick wall that could punch back.
 
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